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From: d (75.105.222.170)
Subject: Re: d
Date: November 4, 2008 at 7:04 am PST

In Reply to: Re: d posted by Denise Kingsley on November 4, 2008 at 5:47 am:

Hi Denise,

Thank you so much for your willingness to help. You seem very knowledgable, so hopefully you'll be able to offer me some insight about why my hair feels so dry and brittle. I contacted the Phillip Kingsley Trochological Center in NYC and sent the trichologist the message below.
Sorry it's so long, but I've done a lot to my hair over the past 5 years.

I will send a picture, but in the meantime, could you recommend some conditioning products that might make my hair feel better. I'm interested in one that can be left in overnight, a daytime leave-in, and an oil.

Here's the modified copy of the msg. I sent to the Trichologist at P. Kingsley:


I have extremely course, thick, frizzy hair (Russian-German Jewish background). I began straightening my hair about five years ago (2003). For the first three years, it worked beautifully. I used Yuko and then when I moved to North Carolina, changed to Licio. Both worked great and I was told I had "textbook hair" for straightening.

Then about two years ago, I had some breakage following the straightener (November, 2006). The stylist had done it twice because some parts were underprocessed. It broke after she re-did it. I followed with protein treatments, which stopped the breakage but made my hair feel hard and stiff. I also did five Brazillian Keratin Treatments (several different stylists, all recommended on this board) from March, 2007- November , 2007. The last one of the BKT's was in November, 2007 (a year ago). I don't think the BKT's really helped or hurt. My hair stopped breaking, but felt very stiff and dry.

From November, 2007 through June, 2008 (about 7 months) I stopped doing the BKT's and my regime was to get a conditioning treatment (Kerastase Oleo-Fusion) and a salon blow-out once or twice per week. I rarely washed my hair in between salon visits. By June, my hair was feeling pretty healthy, but I did notice that it was courser and greyer than usual.

By June, 2008, although my hair felt relatively healthy, the frizz was out of control due to the humidity in NC. I then decided to try doing Japanese straightening again. I traveled to NYC and had a trainer from Milbon do the straightening. I wanted to make sure that it came out well. He felt that my hair was strong and healthy, but thought it would be resistant. Before doing the straightener, he pre-softened it using Cystine (sp?). After that, he used the same straightener (Liscio) that I had used before.

For the first two months after the straightener (June-August, 2008) my hair felt healthy and smooth, but I still noticed that it was stiffer than before. When I had the really good TR's my hair had body and movement. This time it was stick straight. I attributed this to having done so many of the BKT's. I consulted with several stylists, all of whom said my hair felt very healthy and elastic. I continued my regime of washing/conditioning 2 times per week (usually at the salon).

During the first week in August 2008, after a salon blowout, I noticed that my ends felt particularly dry and stiff. They curled up, but not in a good way. After that, I had several haircuts (Including trimming the ends on my own). I also started to condition my hair on a daily basis and let it air dry. My hair was starting to break a bit (not as badly as the last straightener) so I did a few protein treatments. The breakage subsided. However, my hair started feeling increasingly straw-like.

At this point, I am seriously tempted to
either cut it all off in a pixie cut or get a lace front wig. The majority of the damage seems to be the top layer of my hair. The hair underneath is a bit dry, but feels realtively healthy and smooth.

The condition of my hair has been devastating to my self-esteem and I am anxious to figure out what went wrong with it. I know your first response is probably that I've done too many straightening treatments. I would agree, however, my hair felt very healthy (albeit too straight) for the first two months of the last straightener in June. Furthermore, even the 2-3 inches of new growth feels extremely dry.

The other culprits I've considered are: too many conditioning treatments, color (I single process every 3-4 weeks) and water (I have well water, but I've had a very good water softener installed since November, 2007).

The only other thing I can think of is that my body chemistry has changed (I'll be 40 in January) and that my hair is aging. I have more grey than I had 5 years ago, but I have been very grey since my late 20's and my hair has never felt damaged before 2 years ago.

And .. the other thing that may or may not be important to note is that I condition my hair obsessively. I alternate between Kerastase Oleo-Relax and Nigelle HY. Often I will leave the conditioner in overnight. I also do weekly salon conditioning treatements, usually Kerastase Oleo Fusion. My understanding is that protein can dry out the hair but it's unlikely that my hair could be over moisturized. It definitely doesn't feel soft, but maybe the over-use of conditioner is changing the chemistry of my hair

I eat a healthy diet, drink lots of water, don't do drugs or alcohol and take supplements that are supposed to be good for skin and hair. The skin on my face looks relatively hydrated and young (I've been told I look more like I'm in my late 20's). However, the skin on my body tends to be on the dry side. My scalp does not feel dry or irritated.

I am hoping that you can offer me some insight as to what's going on with my hair. I've already spent thousands of dollars on trying to find a solution (salon treatments, a laser comb, a four thousand dollar water filtration system, etc.).

I don't earn a lot of money, but I would willingly spend thousands more if I felt sure I could find a solution to my hair problem.

I will send a picture of my hair. Thanks in advance for your help!


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